Overdrive Research and Development

What do you guys think of juicing up our cars with Hydrogen gas? It's really easy to make and you can run the electric components off the cars battery or Alternator. I've heard of people doing it to increase mileage, but it burns a Lot faster than gasoline which makes me think it might cause the gas to auto-ignite and make the engine Ping. We could probably introduce the Hydrogen through the air intake.

Opinions?

... i thing ill stick with my 94.. finding a tuner to map for that would take months

Actually the auto-ignition temp of Hydrogen is 500C so it won't ignite in an engine until it's sparked, considering typical Gasoline auto-ignites at 280C it should be safe enough if we can produce and regulate enough H-gas. Just thought it might be something cool we could try. lol. Dino with and without, maybe.

Will not be able to use hydrogen on the streets I dont believe. As well, It is much harder to tune, a regular o2 sensor will not give you accurate readings. The spark will have to be more intense, and Hydrogen is a bit more difficult to work with, handling wise and tune wise.

I am even a bit sketchy about nos. I will be willing to do water/meth injection.

Very cool idea, but the project will cost more than you may think. Keep in mind hydrogen in liquid form is around -200C or 250C(Cant remember). So you have to upgrade your entire car delivery system just to be able to handle temperatures like that(not to mention, super air tight).(if your planing on making it a full run hydrogen car). As for storing a tank in a car, that is another bag of problems. The tank has to be well insulated, intense temperature changes are very hazardous.

As well, the spontaneous combustion of hydrogen is around 450-500C depending on altitude and all that good jazz. Does not mean thats the temp that the spark will have to be to ignite it. Have to consider in how much oxygen is in the mixture as well. O is combustible also.

I could be completely wrong about all of this, but this is what I remember.

There are hydrogen cars on the road, they're just not popular because the technology for a vehicle powered by Hydrogen fuel cells is expensive right now, but IC engines that run on pure Hydrogen differ only slightly from gasoline engines...I'm not really sure how though.

Hydrogen gas is easy to make and I was just thinking of pumping a little of it into the air mixture, which shouldn't mess with the combustion too much as long as there's still enough air for as near full combustion as is normal. Maybe put a sealed, removable tank in the back seat run a current through it and hook the gas produced up to air intake. I don't see any problems because the electrolysis of water produces both H2 and O2 so, theoretically, you would be increasing the fuel and giving the engine a boost of pure oxygen to burn it with. To map it all you need to find out is how much H2 and O2 you're adding per stroke so the engine can adjust the amount of gas injected. If we somehow got a compressed tank of pure H2 we would have to regulate how much we released and be careful not to choke off the actual Air supply with too much H or get another tank of Pure O2 and Run the air intake off that. Using the compressed tanks would be expensive though. I'm just talking home-made gear for shiggles.

As for the spark, Hydrogen is pretty flammable so I'm pretty sure regular plugs will work fine and most of us probably run Platinum or Iridium anyways. I just changed mine to NGK Platinum this week, and like you said just because the Auto-Ignition temp is higher doesn't mean the spark has to be that hot.

I will have to find out more about o2 sensors and tuning. My car is still stock so I haven't changed the ECU or downloaded any maps but maybe we can fix that and my ghetto bumper soon lol

Water/methanol is used for Coolant right? I might try that if it works better than store brand. I'm pretty sure the typical ratio is a 50/50 weight split and you can't do it by volume because of the molecular difference in size. It'll look like you don't have enough Meth.

Unless you have a shit ton of extra cash I predict a decent sized explosion.

On the other hand, it would probably be easier to use water as the fuel and simply convert that to hydrogen on the fly. It's been done before - http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/watercar/h20car2.htm Would not need an air intake with that setup either, as the fuel and oxygen both come from the water.

For meth, 50/50 is the ideal percentages in weight. Unless you want higher octane or more cooling. The -40 windshield washer is fairly close to that and often used.

Ill do some more research on the Hydrogen, just to make sure i dont sound as much of an idiot this time

maybe next year after im done my turbo and tranny and all that ill use meth ing. .. that way ill be able to run 10 - 12 psi safely

are you going with snow performance meth injection?

most likely

n0xid wrote:

Unless you have a shit ton of extra cash I predict a decent sized explosion.

On the other hand, it would probably be easier to use water as the fuel and simply convert that to hydrogen on the fly. It's been done before - http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/watercar/h20car2.htm Would not need an air intake with that setup either, as the fuel and oxygen both come from the water.

For meth, 50/50 is the ideal percentages in weight. Unless you want higher octane or more cooling. The -40 windshield washer is fairly close to that and often used.

That's what I was thinking, conversion on the fly. According to that website, we wouldn't even need the added oxygen because Hydrogen burns without it. So any extra O we pump in might increase the amount of gasoline burned per stoke as well.

Can meth be cycled through a regular radiator, or do you actually need a conversion kit of some kind to run it?

why would it go through the radiator?

My bad ... should have wiki'd it sooner lol
I assumed it was a better coolant than regular stuff but it actually goes into the chambers. Apparently it's not much help unless you're Turbo'd though, so I'll have to hold off on it.

I found this new stroke engine while wiki'ing Meth injection. It's a six stroke engine .. kind of radical, but huge potential, especially for Turbo's. You could still use Meth injection on it too, which would work even Better because it can withstand a higher compression ratio...AND it doesn't need a cooling system. (Rad, Fan, water pump)
Hello Weight Reduction.
Crower Six Stroke Engine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crower_six_stroke

Also, to anyone who has a Nos System, I think you might get a better HP gain out of filling the canister with pure Oxygen. Pure O2 would do the same thing better if it was kept at the same tempurature or cooler. Might be more expensive to fill (dunno yet), but it's greener (less NOx in exhaust). Nos actually works off of the same principles I had with Hydrogen and as Meth injection.
See Here

it can also be used as a good purge kit for rad and fuel/ oilcoolers